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What Am I for Saturday 8/13/11

Posted By Jeff Lakaszcyck Friday, August 12, 2011 2:35 PM
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This truck has an interesting heritage. Emblems removed. Photo from Dan Souday.

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 Posted Friday, August 12, 2011 2:59 PM
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Well I wasnt aware of them building a truck, but that front end sure looks like a Fordson tractor.  I'm not clear on the Ford, Fordson, Ferguson pedigree so I'll settle on Fordson for my guess.      ray
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YUP,,Fordson derived,

I''m an expert now, I didn''t have anything left over this time.
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My first impression usually gets me a wrong answer. That's OK with me. Fordson.

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Toppins Tractor Truck Co 1923 Fordson power


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 Posted Friday, August 12, 2011 3:22 PM
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Bill White strikes again.  TOPPINS TRUCK with FORDSON TRACTOR Power Plant.  Built by the TOPPINS TRACTOR TRUCK C0. of Milwaukee Wisconsin.

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Sitting in a motel room in Abingdon, VA tonight (headed to the AACA car show at Bristol tomorrow) with high speed internet so I will chime in here.  When Henry Ford decided to start building farm tractors some other tractor builder had decided to make use of the Ford name so Henry Ford could not build Ford Tractors.  Thus he setled on the Fordson name.  That effort ceased (I think about 1932) and for a few years no tractors were built by Ford Motor Co.  Then Henry decided to make another entry into the tractor business using the 3-point hitch system designed by Harry Ferguson, thus the Ford-Ferguson.  Then about 1947 Henry (or Henry II) decided he didn't need Ferguson any longer and the Ford 8N made its debut in 1948.  Shortly after that Harry began building Ferguson tractors.  I have a 1952 Ferguson T 30.  I think there was maybe some 1951 models.  Ferguson's next move was to hook up with Massey Harris which resulted in the Massey-Ferguson and I think that took place in the late fifties.  

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John Dameron (8/12/2011)
  ... about 1947 Henry (or Henry II) decided he didn't need Ferguson any longer and the Ford 8N made its debut in 1948.  Shortly after that Harry began building Ferguson tractors.    


I can remember that was an interesting story from a British perspective.  It is always told here that Ford allied with Ferguson till they had a tractor design, then cut Ferguson out and just produced them as Fords.

Ferguson went to court and took back all his patent stuff, like the three-point hitch, effectively stopping the sale of Ford units this side of the pond, and then Ferguson went into production on his own.

The UK is full of broken Fordson Major tractors, because they used a cast-iron sump, and the main pivot point for the front axle is mounted in the middle of that casting.  Run into something hard with a front weehl and you are chin down in the dirt with oil everywhere.


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Ford-Ferguson information

An immediate success, the 9N's configuration became an industry standard, which was followed by other tractor manufacturers for fifteen years. Henry Ford passed leadership of his company to grandson Henry Ford II in 1945. By 1946, the younger Ford discovered that, despite its success, the Model N lost Ford Motor Company over $25 million dollars in six years. He reacted by forming Dearborn Motors in November 1946, which took over tractor distribution from Ferguson. Ford informed Ferguson that after July 1947 they would no longer supply tractors to his company. Ferguson sued Henry Ford II, Dearborn Motors and Ford Motor Company and others for $251 million in damages on the basis of patent infringements and conspiracy to monopolize the farm tractor business. Ford Motor Company claimed the patents had already expired by the time of Dearborn Motors' incorporation. Ferguson won the lawsuit.

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Thanks Bill

That would be when $251 million was worth a lot more than it is now ....


Gordon,

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