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Hey Chocko,The Dark Motor Co was a non sequitur, a lot of us employees used when talking about the company and some of its policys. Most employees of a big corporation have "pet" names for their employer, or a slang meaning of their advertising slogans. Think of GM or the 14 different meanings of FORD. Hope this helps...LOL
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Thanks Doug. Joe D.
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Those cast aluminum screw on hub caps are another give away for White . And Diesel Doug will tell you tha before "white out" was invented , there was "dark out" !
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I knew we wouldn't fool very many of you with this one, but this is such a neat photo of a great old truck it was worth running. This 1936 White is a model 730 or 731, and these trucks did use the big "pancake" opposed 12 cylinder engine that White had originally developed for its bus chassis. Bill White had this 1st; thanks to Don MacKenzie for the photo.
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Does anyone know if one of the flat 12's exist? Would it sound like a Ferrari? :D
Progress may have been all right once, but it has gone on too long.
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I don't know if it could happen, but wouldn't it be a bummer if you slammed on the brakes really hard and the eng. slid forward and out?
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I miss out on all the fun on the weekends... I'm posting a fuzzy picture of White specs that was for sale on Ebay. There were two pancake 12 cylinders, the 505 cid 10A and the 811 cid 6A. The WAI White has the same design rear axle and springs as my 643. White lists a big truck using the 811 cid with a 17C planetary, so this is my vote. So can anyone read the fuzzy model numbers in my picture? I'll say model 685? White literature lists a 731 using the 21C, a traditional double reduction (in the pumpkin) axle that Warren mentions. Planetary drive (White called it "Dual reduction") axle models are 2C (20" wheels), 13C (24" wheels), and 17C. Commecial Car Journal specs call both types of rear designs 2F, meaning 2 reduction. I have seen no other reference, except this November 1935 White spec book, to the big pancake engine using a planetary rear. A very similar truck, the 822, used a traditional I-6 ohv 529cid White engine and traditional double reduction. Dave Brainard has one. Somebody was advertising for sale a pancake 12 cylinder a few months ago in WOT. I think the big 811 cid pancake was used in buses. Bruce
1932 White 643 restored in the working museum
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Park Olson (1/10/2010)
Does anyone know if one of the flat 12's exist? Would it sound like a Ferrari? :D
I was wondering the same thing when I asked a while back on the White forum but didn't get much response. Seems not many people are aware of these engines. I was wondering about the longevity of them as I haven't ever seen one. They ran them in a bunch of busses, so there's bound to be a few around in older scrapyards. I'd love to run across one. it would be an interesting engine for a display.
John in Maryland
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I looked at the spec book info on my other computer which has a clearer monitor, and I looked up other technical and sales info. Model 685 is the only cabover with a planetary rear axle so I think it's safe to say this WAI is a model 685. A production sheet shows that about 65 of them were built. 731 and other heavy cabovers used normal double reduction White axles, which had a spindle on the axle ends like the pictures in Jeff's sales brochure.The 685 used the 811 cid 12 cylinder, 225 HP and 543 ft lbs torque. Empty weight some 19,000 lbs. Rear axle ratio was 5.85. That truck could move payload! I wonder what a straight truck would do with all that power, maybe intended to pull a full trailer also. This is arguably "the biggest White" that used all White components. Bruce
1932 White 643 restored in the working museum
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Bruce! White model 685 is a 44-seater bus.
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