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Posted 6/28/2009 9:19:08 PM


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This is a very big fire truck.



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Posted 6/28/2009 9:54:10 PM


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Ward LaFrance Model F666.

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Posted 6/28/2009 10:18:46 PM
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The Class 155 Crash Truck was built on the Kenworth and Brockway 6 ton, 6x6 chassis. The bodies were manufactured by Mack and American LaFrance. The vehicles constructed by Mack were equipped with a Hale 325 gpm., 600 psi. pump which was powered by a Continental engine. The American LaFrance trucks were supplied with their own 4 stage, 250 gpm. pump, powered by a 12 cyl. American LaFrance motor. The pump and their power plants were mounted at the rear of the vehicle. The pump supplied water and foam to 2 turret guns mounted atop the rig and the water tank held 1000 gals. Two, 100 ft, 3/4 in. handlines were carried in open bins on either side of the rig and a third was stored in a open body compartment. High pressure fog nozzles were attached to each line. Portable fire extinguishers, ladders and numberous hand tools for rescue work were also carried. A early version of the Class 155 was mounted on the Mack, NM, 6 ton, 6x6 chassis.

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Posted 6/28/2009 11:07:31 PM


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I'll go with Ward LaFrance

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Posted 6/29/2009 5:07:48 PM
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This truck is a late World War II Army Corps of Engineers CLASS 155 Fire Crash Truck.  280 were built:

125 by American LaFrance on military Brockway 6x6 cabs and chassis

110 by Mack on military Kenworth 6x6 cabs and chassis

45 by Mack on military Brockway 6x6 cabs and chassis.

The truck's fire fighting pump was located on the rear of the truck and was powered by its own (not the truck's) engine,a Continental 6 cylinder 225 HP gasoline engine.  The pump was a Hale Centrifugal producing 325 gallons per minute at 500 pounds per square inch pressure.

The truck was not popular with Army fire fighters who used because of it very hard steering and very slow speed.

Questions welcome.

Ranger Jim

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Posted 6/29/2009 6:17:28 PM
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My first thought before reading on down was Ward La France. But being a Brockway collector I will go with the Brockway people.

 Although the futher details make it impossable to know which mfgr made this truck without them explaining what external differences there were between the different manufactureres??

Brocky

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Posted 6/29/2009 9:33:03 PM


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We have an interesting problem here, several actually. The 1st is, no one has named this truck, and there is only one possibility. Jules and Ranger Jim Davis have given some excellent information, so if I say that Brockway and Ward LaFrance are incorrect, the correct answer is obvious, and not much of a challenge. I'm going to call this a draw. This is a 1942-1943 Class 155 Army Air Force crash truck mounted on a 6x6 6 ton Kenworth 572 chassis, the last of 3 series Kenworth used for the M1 wrecker. In the 2nd photo below the crash truck still has the Vee shaped front bumper found on the M1 wreckers. 100 572 chassis with Kenworth's closed cab were built as M1 wreckers, while 100 (according to my sources) open cab 572 chassis were built as crash trucks. 

To further confuse the issue, in a rare error Fred Crismon's "U.S. Military Wheeled Vehicles" has a photo of the KW 572 crash truck and identifies it as a Ward LaFrance. Ward LaFrance did not supply any M1 chassis as crash trucks. However, they did build a chassis identical to the Brockway B666 and these were used for crash trucks. The B666 chassis was identical in most respects to the other standard 6 ton 6x6 models built by Corbitt, White, and FWD. If you are not confused yet, let me add this: Much of Ward LaFrance's civilian business was building fire trucks, but the WLF 666 chassis has crash bodies built by American LaFrance or Mack. American Lafrance and Ward LaFrance were not related, but their founders were.

Below we have the original photo, a front view clearly showing the KW sheetmetal, and a Class 155 crash truck built by Brockway or Ward LaFrance.

By the way Ranger Jim, welcome to the board.



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Posted 6/29/2009 9:36:15 PM


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Hmmm, this site shows the original picture as a 1944 Kenworth-Mack. 

http://www.firetrucks-atwar.com/C.html

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Posted 6/29/2009 9:38:14 PM


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Can't tell the players without a scorecard on that one!!

David Boudrie  79 Astro95 67 White 7400
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