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 Posted 6/16/2009 2:12:08 PM
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I bought a 1974 International Transtar 4200 a month ago and am weighing my options for replacing the front axle. The truck was missing the driver's side drum and spider for the front axle and I'm having a little difficulty finding the parts. The mechanic at the IH Dealer suggested maybe replacing the axle with some newer to have serviceable brakes. The question that I have is do I keep searching for a an axle with Dayton wheels, or maybe convert it to Budd wheels? Any help or suggestion on where I may find parts?

Tom Hudgins
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Good evening Tom -

A couple of International brochures have on early Transtars (71/73) show the International FA-139 center tread axle as the stock 12,000 lb front axle; and the FA-112 center point axlesas  the optional 12,000 axle. The FA-139, manufactured by International, was only available with wedge brakes and was used on Loadstars, Fleetstars, Transtars and Paystars. The FA-112, manufactured by Rockwell, Rockwell designation FE 970, was available with either wedge or s-cam brakes. I suspect your truck has the wedge brakes.

By 1976 the stock axle on the Transtar glider was a 10,800 lb center tread axle with cam brakes. I don't appear to have any info on the 10,800 lb center tread axle. Likely International given the "center tread" designation.

I believe the Rockwell designation FE 970 was a fairly common axle.I would start by calling White and Bradstreet (heavy truck parts supplier and salvage yard) in Augusta to see if the have the parts for your axle, have the lighter 10,800 lb axle with cam brakes, or can match up an FE 970 with cam brakes for your truck.

Perhaps someone with a little more mechanical knowledge/ability can jump in and help.

Another option is front brake delete on a tractor although I like the brake options better. See you at Owls Head.

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 Posted 6/16/2009 4:49:11 PM
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If you want to convert to Budds, now would be the time. Figure out what front axle you have. If it's a Rockwell, you can probably find a rockwell axle, and just switch out the spiders and hubs. How are the kingpins in your axle? If they are not so hot, might be cheaper to change the whole axle. Salvage yards usually have them stacked up like cordwood.

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Tom,

Welcome aboard.Heres a 4270 spec sheet from '73, it shows two more axles in addition to the ones Clayton listed, an FA136 and an FA228 straight beam.

Like Clayton mentioned, get in touch with ( or better yet, drive down to ) White & Bradstreet in Augusta.  http://www.white-bradstreet.com/  I havent been there in a while but they used to have quite a few 4200 and 4300s in the yard and they are pretty sharp on interchanges.Good people and easy to deal with, it would be worth youre time to get to know them face to face if youre going to own an old truck.Drive axles bring a good price at a yard, but steer axles usually end up going with the frame for scrap once everything else has been picked clean.Since they dont sell alot of them the price should be pretty reasonable.You could probably buy a whole axle with cam brakes and bud hubs for as much as the new parts to fix youres would cost, maybe less.The guys at White & Bradstreet would know for sure, but I believe the newer style axles from a 9300 series will retrofit into a 4200/4300, I dont think International changed steering box placement or spring size for quite a few years.Heck, I wouldnt be surprised if a 9900 axle would fit.Also, Stewart's towing up in the Bangor area used to have a pretty decent sized parts yard out back, but I havent been there in a long time.

First thing you ought to do is have the dealer get you a copy of youre trucks VIN number build sheet from the factory archives so you know what youve got under it for parts.What dealer have you been going to, CB kenworth or Daigle & Houghton ?.If they just dont want to take the time to look up old parts, then get ahold of Morrison and Sylvestor down in Auburn  http://www.morrisontruck.net/  Good people and they are used to tracking down parts for old binders thru the system.Worth the drive.I think they might even have an old 4200 parts truck out back if I remember right

Definatly make time for the Owlshead show july 18th and 19th.  http://www.ohtm.org/events_2000.html  John

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 Posted 6/21/2009 3:42:03 PM
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Thanks for the tips and advice. My truck is a 1974/84 4270. The original title was in the truck making it a 1974 but it has a 1983 front hood and replacement gauges from a 1984. I've been in touch with White and Bradsteet, and they claim to not have anything older than 1989 left in their yard. They cleaned out last year with the high steel prices. They don't have a replacement axle either. I have a few more places to call including Morrison (I found them on the internet). My truck is currently at CB Kenworth/International until tomorrow. I had the radiator recored and they can't seem to come to a conclusion on what will fit it. CB is too busy right now to research new parts for me and I'm moving my truck and my money over to Dysart's Service place across the road. They are more than willing to help get brakes back for the truck and fix some other things as well. I don't want to run it with no brakes because then I won't have a speedometer. I'll be at Owls Head either with or without my truck depending on what is being fixed. Tom

Tom Hudgins
Bradford, Maine
1974/84 International Transtar 4200

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I have a set of drums and spokes from Fleetstar (I think.. they look like the ones on my Fleetstar), the speedo drive gears are shot (Fiber) on them. I'll have to look as to the drum condition. I think they are from the lighter axle and yes they are wedge brakes (I also have the backing plates/ brakes). I Don't know if this is what you are looking for and I am in the western part of Iowa so it would cost a fair bit to ship.  These hubs have the two bearings closer together then the normal axles do. I think they are around 10K cap... Is that what you have?
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 Posted 6/22/2009 3:29:17 PM
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I have the 12,000 lb. axle and I believe I have wedge brakes. According to the latest information from one of the mechanics at the dealership, I have air assist hydraulic brakes. I can get more information. I'll have to take pictures of them and post them. Tom

Tom Hudgins
Bradford, Maine
1974/84 International Transtar 4200

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 Posted 6/24/2009 2:46:44 PM
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Tom Are you sure the mechanic said you have air assisted hydraulic brakes? I do not think there is such an option on IH 4200 just straight air. Could he have said disc brakes? Wedge brakes have 2 small cans per axle mounted on backing plate. Cam brakes have 1 can per wheel not mounted on backing plate. Pretty easy to differentiate when looked at. I would try another mechanic. chocko.

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I've never seen, but my father has a truck, ( I think it was a ford) that had cam brakes out back with juice front brakes, (disc I think) up front from the factory. Why I don't know but it was.

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CB Kenworth ordered a spider for my brakes and it doesn't fit and the guy in service who is ordering the parts seems to be on vacation all the time. It's a slow process but I'm considering finding someone else to work on my truck. I thought the dealer would be the logical choice as they would have information about International Trucks. Wrong choice for me, but it's been a learning experience. I'm going to work on switching the axle with a newer one. My truck will be a Owls Head next year, I hope. My quest for the holy front brakes continues. . .

Tom Hudgins
Bradford, Maine
1974/84 International Transtar 4200

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