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| Ok, I finally broke down and bought it today. Here's the pics, and I will have a few questions...so, will ask the experts.. 72 KW 925 350 12513 TortionBar 240wb 353,000mi , cant find the CPL tag, door tag gone too as it had been replace it looks.. Can I get the CPL by SN somewhere? 
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| Do these tortions look alright? I cant remember if I'm supposed to be able to see the blocks, or if they're in there deeper.. 
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Find the engine s/n and i may get the cpl for it.
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Glen, just PM'd it to you.. appreciate it!
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T-bars look OK to me, dont forget to air up the RFO drive tire! Going around a corner will tell you more about your T-bar condition in how far the axles "offset". Looks like someone upgraded the heater-a/c unit to a later A-model style, post 76? to 79. Headliner and overhead radio upgraded also. Nice looking truck from a "dry" climate. Have fun!
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Nice looking rig! Any major plans?
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| Kid, Sharp looking A model.Get the pressure washer out and blast all that old grease/sand crud off that suspension, give it some grease, then take it for a ride and see if anythings moving around too much.John
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Early FFC 350, can tell by the heavy alum top cover on aftercooler and pully on the water pump.
Also right in front of th ewater pump above the 4 holes for the air con bracket is a boss casted into the block your Se # is stamped in it.
I can't get anymore out of it, I've got both sticks hot clear up to the knobs allready.
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| Looks like a nice find. Got to love them dry climates! The RRI tires looks flat too. (top of tire looks dished in)
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| I wish you would have posted a warning first, now I need a towel for the drool! Super nice looking A model you have there. As Scott mentioned, how sure are you it's a '72? 1972 should have the fuel fillers exposed, not recessed. The A/C (1976 I think) and radio overhead (1975) are later style, as is the windshield washer bottle. If you have the chassis number I can check the appriximate date. I have a few 1972-1974 models to compare with ranging from 123043 in late 1971 up to 143501 in late 1974. Very nice find.
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| Glen, thanks for the info. Called KW today, and sure enough, while on the call, he pulled up the info. Even printed it all out, the complete build. And pulled the engine info by truck serial, but need to verify it on the block after Aarons' comment. Makes me wonder if original.. Aaron, thanks , will look there next time I'm near it, as its still in the POs yard. Need to fix the spagetti lines, and put new batteries in it, so i can get her home. Tony, 'dont look now' ! I'll loan you a towel...lol I can find a few more of these, reasonable.. too bad you dont want a 79 Pete 359..for $3k..I know where one is....lol Yep a 72, born 11/16/71 . SN 124271, stamped in the alum.frame. Guess I shouldn't tell you I got it for $3k (I did), or you'd probably choke.. There are lots more coming around lately, so if you feel the need to spend yur $, I can send you some links...lol Drivers door has been replaced at some point, so lost that tag, but have the factory paperwork now. says the 350 SN is 10232249, havent found it yet to match it up. the CPL tag is missing, maybe to early, as there is no CPL# on the Cummins paperwork. built 10/28/71 , pump BM70486, pump cal 2248, NTC350. Did find that originally it had a Spicer 8544A w/ 8345G aux, now has an RTO12513 with the pullup LoHi, and DIR/OD on top. I will replace it with the old-style 3pos top unit when I find one reasonable enough. Yes, the RFO is flat, did that setting, so will air and check. The speedo says 353457 , and starting to wonder about that, since the priginal order shows for Souther Tank Lines, distributor in LA. Owners son, said his dad hauled his cats around Reno, and PO before him had justy hauled his equip local too, so maybe they never picked it up, or the PPO bought it with intent to do so..dont know, but really doesnt seem beat up enough to be that milage + a mil.. Nothing seems worn enough for more miles.. Did find it has SQHD 4.63s, which will need upgraded to 370/390, or replaced with airride..dont know yet. I need to look at those sheets from Swish, and figure what gears I want,, although it probably wont be driven at such speeds, it should do 80 easy IF I want to..lol Thanks for the applause.. and looking forward to all your help.
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| Pump code 2248 translates to a CPL 21 NTC350. That late in 1971 I'm not sure which door latches it should have had originally. If the serial number is not marked any where else on the cab, I'd suspect it receive a new replacement cab after about 1976. It is possible, but unlikely, the doors, A/C and all associated panels, headliner and radio mount, dash panels, and windshield washer would have been changed on the old cab. Anything is possible though. Sounds like you got a good deal on it. I bought a 1972 W924 with a 1693, 12513, and SSHD's on Hendrickson for $4000 a couple of years ago at an auction, drove it home, and was proud to get it. I have enough truck projects to last me until I am 150 or so, and have decided to just check out the ones really special, or headed to the scrapper. I already have 3 359's, so I'll have to pass this time. Good luck with you new truck.
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| Its original cab, found sticker. Sticker also says 12513, so havent found where they deleted/changed in the build sheets. Still cant find the engine SN, tried to look where Aaron said..but must not be lookin right.. Got her running today, and replaced spaghetti lines. Fixed some air leaks..only ones left are the air/heat dash air switchs, and the parking/trailer brake valves, leak around the knobs until you turn them just right. Guess I have to get kits for them also. Do have a ? though.. It has a Jake, but I only see one dash switch. Is this a one position Jake? And, if so, is it single stage or 3 stage when on? The KW# for it is, K296-48 . 2083 housing includes one 2689 valve assy, 2880 compr rel.grp... Anyone know? Glen? She's being toted back to the house Sat. Almost ready to do the plates,, but where were those antique exemption(USDOT,ST,?) sheets for licensing..etc I searched but cant find them on here.. Sending form to Gulfway for insurance.. hope its reasonable..
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Jakes will all come on when switch is flipped, the only way to stage them is to have a switch marked 1,2,3 each number corsponding to a jake head and not in 1,2,3 order, what it means is 1 head works which is the center, then 2 heads work and those would be 1 and 3 then 3 when all heads come on.
The excemption letters you ask about are in the members section of the ATHS website but have nothing to do with your states licenseing of a truck for a historic plate, they are only for passage thru another state.
In picture 162 there is a oily spot on the block just in front of the air compressor in between the water lines cooling it there are 4 3/8 bolt holes in the block just above the top 2 is a flat spot in the block just below the head, the number should be stamped there, stamped not raised.
I can't get anymore out of it, I've got both sticks hot clear up to the knobs allready.
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| Aaron, thanks. I know about the stage switch, as my 73 had them. I just had never seen one with only an on/off switch... so this one would be like on 3 then..?.. I take it. I'll look at that spot closer Sat when it gets home.. I didnt notice anything there earlier, but will pressure clean it first..
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on/off is all 3 at the same time.
I can't get anymore out of it, I've got both sticks hot clear up to the knobs allready.
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| I put in new batteries, and turned key to just turn her over 3 short times, then 4th time tried to start, started right up after sitting a yr and a half. Real good oil pressure, air built right up, but found some leaks. Replaced spaghetti lines, and tightened a couple fittings. Chased out the packrat nestings, air the tires, and checked things over. Called a buddy, who hauled her home on the lowboy 60mi. Got her home, and cleaned her out. Found the rat had chewed some wires, so wiring fixes were in order. Heater/AC air switches leak a little, have to find replacements yet. Replaced the red,yellow and green air valves, as they leaked until turned just right. Straightened the wiring under the hood and loomed it. Pressure washed(with small washer) most of the gunk off the engine and frame and such, but will need a better one with steam maybe, to get the old hard dirt/grease off it in places. Replaced the broken plastic-levered diff.lock valve on the dash, with a new metal one, that matches the old-style 5th slide lock lever. Found the A/C compressor and lines are missing, but the dash unit and grilldensor are still there, so will need to find suitable replacements later. Found new wheelnut covers for .26ea , and front hubcaps for $3ea at KW, so bought them. Also, found an old-style NOS 3pos Fuller splitter on fleabay, and bought it. Will replace the separate hi/lo and 2pos it currently has, as I really hate them, so they will be sold off if someone needs them. May replace rear cans, 30/30s as they dont match(brands), and the tool holes have been open who knows how long, and are probably rusted somewhat inside. They are only $39 each, so probably worth it and safer. Will need to replace the old air lines, as lots of cloth braid is worn thru, and some are just rubber with dryrot cracks starting onb the outside. May have to replace a front wheel seal, and one rear one, although, they may just have leaked from sitting, as there is no oil-fling around the wheels,, so will drive around the property and see if they re-seal first. I'm thinking of just lightly blasting the frame, and not re-painting it, as its all aluminum, and might look neater just polished. The cat yellow body will definitely get painted with nice colors last. First, have to figure out how to mount the 60" walkin and cut the cab for it, and make it mate correctly. Would like to move the roll-down rear cab window, to the rear of the sleeper, think that would look/be nice. Anyone have mounting details for a 60" off a 93 T800 ? I'm thinkin the small airbag type mounting wouldll be best. Have new rubbers for hood and radiator mounts, and need to replace some water hoses. Need to replace both seats with some newer air-ride. Then the 'other' stuff gets added...
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Hey Kid, nice ride you have there! Just my opinion but I would look for an early KW sleeper to put on, the newer ones just dont look right with the squared corners But I also know that if you allready have the newer one it would be a shame not to use it! Doug
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Don't blast it right away. Get some good paint/aircraft stripper to take off most of the paint. Brush it on, maybe use a wire brush to loosen up the paint a bit/stir it around, then pressure wash the stripper off. You end up getting off 90% of the paint this way, and only have to blast the really tight corners. Also leaves an easier finish to polish if that's the look you are going for. I have done my battery box and steps like this as they were painted from factory. The water neutralizes the stripper, so it's a win-win situation. Just remember to use a face shield when pressure washing- paint stripper in the eyes is not a good thing.
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| Doug, you think this is too square to put on? Not sure I could find anyone close enuff to trade a correct one, for this one..even up.. the guy said '93, but I wonder if its an '83 ? 
Jeff, I get it... but, I can peel most of the frame paint off with my little pressure washer. Seems like they did a one-coat on the aluminum frame, and it aint holdin on good.. but will remember the tips..
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| And... another ? I'm gettin ready to change the fluids, and I cant for the life of me, remember how much oil the 350 takes.. also dont have a memory module (manual) to look it up in. NTC350 CPL21(?) SN 10232249. I was think it was close to 10 gal, but turbo, aftercooled, and a luberfiner under the driver step... NAPA has Delo400 30w at $80 a case(6gal), is that bad or good nowadays? Are their Gold filters any good ? They go on special sale tomorrow, and have to get them water, oil, fuel.. and I guess the Luberfiner(never had one to service before).. Any you cummins boys got this stuff memorized?
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The modern model sleepers seem to be too tall for an A model. Thats what I haven't cared for them on an A. I've never put a tape measure to them but when you park an A model next to a B or L the roof lines are taller.
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10 to 12 gallons is the norm depending on the pan, if the 15/40 is cheaper use it but stay with the 400 series, lub finer needs to have air bled out of it when you start back up just leave the plug on the top of the cap just a couple threads loose and when the oil seeps out of it tighten it, also put a new gasket in the lub finer.
I can't get anymore out of it, I've got both sticks hot clear up to the knobs allready.
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| Kid, Ive always had good luck with the gold series filters.They used to be, maybe still are, made by Wix.I'd go with 15W40 for a Cummins. Always wondered why the west coast guys with aluminum frames didnt polish them,since they polish everything else,lol.Always thought a polished frame would look pretty neet.There is a pretty decent product thats been around a while called Evershield, intended for bare metal aircraft but it works on any polished metal surface.Wont crack, peel, or turn yellow.Kinda pricy but it works well.Polish once, then never again. http://www.stewartsystems.aero/catalog/6c45c7bf-4597-4ab4-b497-cf789d916d64.aspx As far as bunks go, there is a height difference, like Mr.Powell mentioned.Search under Orrin or John H's name and find the thread about the progress on Orrin's A model when John was working on it.John gives a pretty detailed description, with measurements, describing the modifications he was making to get the roofs to sit at the same height.Heck of alot easier to find a good A model bunk.I know its easier to find a B, especially since youve already got one, but you can spot a B model bunk on an A model at 70 mph going the other way at dusk or dawn.It just doesnt look right.John
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Napa Gold filters are still made by WIX. Sell them every day, never had any problems with them, as long as you have old filter numbers to interchange from.
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[quote][/quote] Here is some oil pan #s and you can look at your oil pan and get the # and compare the hi and low mark on the dip stick for the pan you have.
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Dam Glen you are not only a Mechanic but also a computer Geek. or did you have a grandchild helping?
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| Geez,,, thanks guys! Aaron, thx, will do. John, yep, looked it up again.. got me re-thinkin it. havent found any A's yet.. Glen, will compare. Will go with Delo400 15w40 (notLE). $73 a case..x2 Jeff, ok, bought them, cant beat these prices.. Luberfiner 12.61, fuel 5.95, air 32.92,oil 9.36,water 7.42 . The air was normally 125.42, so y'all better start watchin for these NAPA sales, as they are floating from store to store.. Got my NOS 3pos slitter from fleabay today, new, just as told. Put it on, re-plumbed to match factory docs. What a pain the spaghettis are at the trans.. Also, replaced the air bleed valves as they all leaked a touch. Got 2 new 30/30 cans for the back. Will need some new air hoses though.. ...getting there..slowly..
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So, Aaron mention it looks like early FFC, would 10232249 still be an SC, or first BC ? Checked Quickserve, they show no manauls for it to download, so need to know to search elsewhere..
----------------------------------------------------1972 KW925 SC350 12513 240WB, restoral in progress, 1936 CAT RD4 w/LPC 4A blade restored ground up
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That motor is still a small cam, if you'll look on the fuel pump side of the block down just about fuel pump height there are 3 6 bolt housings on the block from front to rear those are the cam follower housings they are about 3" tall, big cam follower housings are about 4 1/2" tall, quite a difference.
I can't get anymore out of it, I've got both sticks hot clear up to the knobs allready.
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