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Posted By Jeff Lakaszcyck Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:56 PM
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Jeff Lakaszcyck
 Posted Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:17 PM
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Nice detective work Swish. I vote for # 3 also. Mr. Peterman must have had a lot of sleepless nights with all this going on in his head !

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Thanks Swish,

I forgot to sort by date when I searched Peterman so it was a bit of a mish-mash. Sounds like old T.A. was obsessed with rear ends (who isn't?)

My vote is for number three. The drawing I recall had one sprocket per stub shaft..this arrangement has a sprocket for each wheel.

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 Posted Monday, July 26, 2010 8:16 PM
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Ok
the plot thikenz
LOL
I have not had time to peruse these patents
they look a little complicated if any of these are the fuly oscillating drive axles
Sort of 'I can't see the treees for the woods
but may b sumone can explain it all to me
LOL
Clikn here will getcha there

http://www.google.com/patents?id=lrxJAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=T.A.+Peterman&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q=T.A.%20Peterman&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=oIVwAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=T.A.+Peterman&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q=T.A.%20Peterman&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=GwFMAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=T.A.+Peterman&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=T.A.%20Peterman&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=yKRfAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=T.A.+Peterman&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=T.A.%20Peterman&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=oYVwAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=T.A.+Peterman&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=T.A.%20Peterman&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=69djAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=T.A.+Peterman&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=T.A.%20Peterman&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=7NdjAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=T.A.+Peterman&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q=T.A.%20Peterman&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=u5BYAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=T.A.+Peterman&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q=T.A.%20Peterman&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=cw9DAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=T.A.+Peterman&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q=T.A.%20Peterman&f=false

and Wilson Version
http://www.google.com/patents?id=271GAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=chain+drive+axle&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=chain%20drive%20axle&f=false

Hope U Like reading

LOL

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 Posted Monday, July 26, 2010 1:34 AM
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Kind of wondering why the Pete didn't use a Knuckey rear that was built in San Francisco, just across the bay from Peterbilt, instead of one built 500 miles away in LA. The Maxi rear had its fans I guess. Hug shipped some trucks 2000 miles west to have that rear installed.

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Freight train, about the only thing I am sure of on this KW is that it does not have a front driving axle. Front drives on these pre-war KW's were very noticable. Here's a couple of pics of trucks built for the sugar cane fields in Hawaii in 1936-37.



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 Kenworth 1936 6x6 Kohala Sugar Co Oahu.jpg (1,296 views, 101.12 KB)
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The sprockets for the chain drive were between the duals on the inboard side. I don't think this system was too successful because is disappeared quickly...probably for some of the reasons that Swishy pointed out. I can't find any of the patents for this under Peterman,Peterbilt or Fageol.

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 Posted Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:25 AM
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By the gusset deal the suspension attached between the wheels.I wonder if the rears are just weight bearing and it is Front wheel drive?Can't really tell if that is a drive shaft or some type of frame rail/suspension part under the truck.Another possibility is the center pivot of the suspension holds the "Axle" and geared ends that power the 4 ends out back from the center.There ain't no way it could really be powered from the middle like a tradition pumpkin or you would have to totally dissassemble the rear end to change a flat tire.

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Swishy, unfortunately the resolution on the KW photos isn't high enough to really see what is back there. I can't make out any sprockets or chains, but the driveshaft sits very high which would indicate chain drive or worm drive differentials. It would be great to see a larger image. Judging by the large piece between the front and rear drive wheels it looks like this bogie pivots in the center. But I stand to be corrected too !

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 Posted Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:42 PM
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Guys
Re: the top pic
Ok I'm a bit green bhind the gills
so can Xplain
how n wot
I'd guess twould B chain drive
but the way the wheels R set up the short stub axles with a tyre on each end it would not B able to ossillate sideways
there for probly overloading n causing undue wear if n when the wheels were not runnin on flat ground
the worse would B runnin in wheel ruts caused by the common garden variety duels on a truck

ButEyeDoSt&2BCorrected

WotSayU?

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This Peterbilt was owned by the Snoqualmie Falls Lumber Co. and had a Maxi chain drive rear end.

I still think the trailer is a Peterman creation despite the duals being closer together. They were probably configured that way because there was no need for the space of the chain drive between the tires.

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