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Eddy Lucast
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Posted Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:21 AM
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Mackdaddy (4/13/2011)
I am not sure that the demise of CF was no more than a transfer to the parent companies non union outfits.
Menlo Logistics? Still in Menlo Park, CA.
IIRC Conway was one of the non-union CF companies that ended up with all of CF's freight!
Eddy Lucast
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Mackdaddy
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Posted Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:16 PM
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I am not sure that the demise of CF was no more than a transfer to the parent companies non union outfits.
Menlo Logistics? Still in Menlo Park, CA.
Mackfully,Mackdaddy Green Lights and Dry Roads!
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mickemoose
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Posted Monday, April 11, 2011 4:18 PM
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Jim,
Keep an eye out on Ebay. A few months ago, someone was selling a parts manual for a 1970s White Freightliner COE. (I remember it because it had a yellow front cover.)
If you're looking for a service manual for a '70s Freightliner COE, there's one on Amazon for 20 bucks. I know it's for a 70s Freightliner cabover because I emailed the owner of the book store that's selling it. I was trying to find a service manual for a 1974 - 79 Freightliner FLC Conventional, and she said it was for a '70s Freightliner cabover.
I've contacted Freightliner Corp. many times in the past, trying to get info on parts for '70s Freightliner Conventionals. Don't bother contacting Freightliner dealers, you're just wasting your time. They know absolutely nothing about old Freightliners built over 30 years ago. Most of the people working there weren't even born when these trucks were coming off the assembly line, so they don't have a clue what an FLT or FLC is.
What specifically are you looking for on your truck? When I contacted Freightliner Corp. in Portland, OR, 3 years ago, I gave the customer service rep the VIN # of an old '70s FLC Conventional and he was kind enough to send me a complete parts breakdown for the hood and floor-mounted cab heater-A/C unit. As long as you provide them with a 100% accurate VIN #, they should be able to go in their archives and pull up whatever parts info you want. All the old stuff from the '70s is stored on microfiche.
Now, go figure this one out! I contacted Freightliner 2 months ago requesting a paint chart for an old '79 FLC Conventional. I gave the VIN # and the customer service rep emailed the chart to me right away, no problem. Then, a week later, I requested paint charts for a few other old '79 FLCs and another rep replied to me, "Sorry, but we don't have any information on trucks this old." What?? I just received a chart two weeks ago!! :crazy: I suspect he was too lazy to go back in the archives and retrieve this info.
So, I guess it depends on what customer service rep you talk to. Some are definitely better than others.
As far as when Freightliner broke away from White Motor Corp., some say 1975, others say '76, and still others say '77, so I guess you can say anywhere from 1975 - 77. One thing I do know for fact, Freightliner introduced their new "Freightliner" only nameplate in April, 1976. I have a picture of Freightliner CEO, Ken Self, President, Bill Critzer and VP of Marketing, Harry Joy, presenting the new nameplate. Also, the very first sales brochure with the Freightliner only nameplate was printed in May, 1976 (see picture below).
However, I do know that some Freightliners built after April, 1976, still had the old White Freightliner nameplate! I had heard that Freightliner wanted to use up the stockpile of old nameplates.
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Posted Monday, April 11, 2011 10:45 AM
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I have a 1976 White Freightliner COE I'm fixing up. Cummins 350, 13 spd, Rockwell SQHDs. Now drivable on the road. Anyone know how to get a parts manual for these old ones? I go to Freightliner and with the 13 character VIN, they come up empty even on the old "crossover" VIN system.
I'd also like to know how close this one was to the end of the line for the White/Freightliner saga. Must be pretty close. Does anyone know of a VIN listing that may show that or was this secret info? Jim
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GoldenGoat
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Posted Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:30 PM
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One of my favorites of my dad's back in the seventies. This is a repost, but a lot of new guys on here. About a year after this pic another dummy wiped it out in Monroe, LA.
'61,'64 and '65 Emeryvilles,'70 & '81 W900, '83 359
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scsiguy
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Posted Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:26 PM
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glenn akers (3/10/2010)
Cam (3/10/2010)
I used to make fun of Freightliners, just like the next guy. But the more I studied them, the more I have come to realize that (at least in earlier years) were one of the purest forms of trucks ever made. And this is one of the reasons why Freightshakers are not well-remembered by many drivers. They could be very skimpy on comfort and frills. But every single tiny element of design on a '50s or '60s Freightliner was evaluated by the factory, as to how it could be made lighter or more compact. Between that, and the massive number of available options (different configurations), it is easy to see how they became the first western make to be known in the East. Well i have hear all of the jokes made of freightliners.Mostly about the doors.But thay have been a good work truck to many familys. Most of them are not as pretty as a pete but they are simple and later years built to be serviced with ease. When you have been a mechanic as long as i have you learn which trucks that are easy to work on.I love ever truck that i have owned but a freightliner is the one i like to work on. I dont need to look at a pretty truck as bad as i need to make money from one. I do think a 70 and 80s cabover is a good looking truck.
I agree with everything said above. There is no comparison in the ease of working on a White Freightliner and any International of the same era. None. The same holds true with IHC farm tractors.
I've told the story many times: I can clutch a John Deere 4020 before noon, but with an IHC 806, I won't even have the tractor split by noon.
Fred Schrope - Upland, IN
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glenn akers
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Posted Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:00 PM
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Cam (3/10/2010)
I used to make fun of Freightliners, just like the next guy. But the more I studied them, the more I have come to realize that (at least in earlier years) were one of the purest forms of trucks ever made. And this is one of the reasons why Freightshakers are not well-remembered by many drivers. They could be very skimpy on comfort and frills. But every single tiny element of design on a '50s or '60s Freightliner was evaluated by the factory, as to how it could be made lighter or more compact. Between that, and the massive number of available options (different configurations), it is easy to see how they became the first western make to be known in the East. Well i have hear all of the jokes made of freightliners.Mostly about the doors.But thay have been a good work truck to many familys. Most of them are not as pretty as a pete but they are simple and later years built to be serviced with ease. When you have been a mechanic as long as i have you learn which trucks that are easy to work on.I love ever truck that i have owned but a freightliner is the one i like to work on. I dont need to look at a pretty truck as bad as i need to make money from one. I do think a 70 and 80s cabover is a good looking truck.
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Cam
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Posted Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:28 AM
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I used to make fun of Freightliners, just like the next guy. But the more I studied them, the more I have come to realize that (at least in earlier years) were one of the purest forms of trucks ever made. And this is one of the reasons why Freightshakers are not well-remembered by many drivers. They could be very skimpy on comfort and frills. But every single tiny element of design on a '50s or '60s Freightliner was evaluated by the factory, as to how it could be made lighter or more compact. Between that, and the massive number of available options (different configurations), it is easy to see how they became the first western make to be known in the East.
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TonyClemens
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Posted Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:31 AM
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Dad's first White Freightliner was a '67. This green truck was a '74. 325 Cat, 13 RR, 4.33 axles. I got my CDL with this truck when it was new ( I was 19). The silver Freightliner was an '80, 400 Cummins, 13 RR, 4.33 axles, painted in the Las Vegas scheme.
1959 White 4400TD, 1956 White WC22PLT
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dashby
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Posted Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:13 AM
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Maybe Freightliner was not in a position to tell White what they could and couldn't do.
Every Body Gotta Be Some Place
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