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Posted By james j neiweem Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:19 AM
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If you look on the left hand side of the engine, there will be a flat surface with engine model number and serial number. That flat may be hidden by your generator and there may be an oil filter on that flange above the flat.



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looking to find any information on the 100 series block #440350. super power on block, the truck is a 1950 wc22 road tractor, who cast the block, oil filter & air pump. I need a radiator fan & air compressor. compressor is water cooled ,& engine oiled. I believe I need a bendix tru-flo 400.
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I drove both the Toro-Flo and a Giesel back in the day, they didn't last. The big gas burners that we had from Ford and International would run rings around them as well as being more reliable, I can't imagine buying the gas for them now !!

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The White/Cummins was a 470G. It was pretty much a Cummins V470 with an adaptor where the injector would go for spark plugs, and a pair of hemi looking valve covers. Find an old Motors manual and look under White standard trucks.
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Bob - I post a bit on the 1960-1966 GMC V-6 truck site. Most activity is pickup related there, most of my experience was riding shotgun with Dad in GMC tilt-cabs, and one strange combination that was badged a Chevy C-70 short nose conventional that had a Toro-Flow diesel in it. I think it was the non-turbo 478 V-6 version, single axle tractor hauling livestock. Replaced a CO-190 with 450-6.

The White "Giesel" is a new one for me. I'm not familiar with the term at all. I thought I drove every lame attempt to reduce fuel use in trucks or tractors. I drove a about 1980 F-700 with a Detroit 8.2L Fuel Pincher, ran O-K for 3-4 weeks, then would drop a cylinder per week until it was running on 4, disappear for a week to the dealer then come back running O-K. Rinse and repeat. Bet I put 50,000 miles on that thing in substantially less than a year until it was replaced with a V-8 gas LoadStar binder that got about 3 mpg. That F-700 was just about like driving my F-150 except for the 2-speed axle and air brakes! Had about the same driving range, got 7 mpg loaded with 40 gallon tank. Fuel stop every 4 hours!

I googled White Geisel and didn't get much. Something on Jalopy Journal about it being a 500 cid V-8 Cummins converted to burn gasoline. Sounds like something International Harvester would do! I do watch Nat'l Tractor Pullers Assoc. pulls on RFDT-V, (aka Horse TV), and there's a couple tractors running convered Cummins 903, big Perkins V-8's, Cat 3208's burning alcohol that REALLY make some horsepower compared to in-line 6's of same displacement. I've read hours of info on the Ford GAA 1100 cid V-8 and it's parent 1650 cid V-12 predesessor.

Anyhow, if you know more about a White Giesel I'd appreciate anything you might care to share.
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I am pretty certain the Reo OHV engines were all made in Lansing. When White spun Diamond-Reo off, the Reo gas engines went with Diamond-Reo and were no longer offered in Whtes. For a short period ('73-'74), White used a few GMC V-6's when a customer wanted a gasoline engine, and then went on to develop the ill-fated 'Giesel'.
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My '56 WC22PLT has Super Power on the hood badges and Mustang cast in the block of its 250A. My '64 4200 has White Mustang hood badges and Mustang cast on the sides of the 470A engine block.

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Any 100 series engine would have "Super Power" cast into the block and any 200 series engine would have "Mustang" cast into the block. The badge on the hood would be independent of what engine was in the truck. My 1954 WC 22 says "Super Power" on the hood but came from the factory with a 250A engine (Mustang). Later trucks may have had "Mustang" on the hood and had a "Mustang" engine also.

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Flathead White engines from the 1970s and earlier were White design and build. The marketing name from the late 1930s-40s was "Superpower." The name changed (with some design changes) to Mustang by the early 1950s.

Reo had two inline 6 cylinder overhead valve engines in the late 1950s. White rebadged these engines as Super Mustang. Reo design but I'm not certain if the OHV engines were built at Reo's factory in Lansing or in White's Cleveland factory by the 1970s.

For exceptions to the rule, White used a Packard 6 cylinder flathead in the smallest White truck in the 1950s. They probably had a White tag but not White cast into the parts. White engines had the White name cast into the castings.

White had their own OHV design in their largest engines from 1926-1942.

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Were white mustang engines (before Reo) made by White or were they vendor engines.

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