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What Am I for Sunday 1/08/12

Posted By Jeff Lakaszcyck Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:02 PM
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This is a very unusual van, Emblem removed. Photo from Gordon M.

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Dodge Montpelier van


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Agree with Bill. Dodge Montpelier. Military version?  

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  I'LL GO WITH DODGE MONTPELIER ALSO.
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This is another of those military prototypes where you pretty much have to know what it is, there are are not too many clues unless you are familiar with Montpelier or Dodge VC military chassis. The following is from Gordon M: This is a 1939 Dodge with a Montpelier body, built on a Dodge T202 VC series 4x4 chassis. This photo was taken outside the Dodge's Mound Road plant at the end of 1939 when the plant was virtually new. This truck never made production - I assume the ( Montpelier?) wood-framed body just came apart during testing. Mechanically the same as others of the T202 VC series, but probably a slightly longer wheelbase than the production 116" unit.

My laymans opinion is that it is just plain cool. Thanks to Gordon for the photo. Our resident Dodge expert Bill White had this 1st. Our second photo below is a Dodge T202 VC series weapons carrier from 1940, from the Life Magazine Collection.


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Sunday, January 08, 2012 3:31 PM by Jeff Lakaszcyck
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This is an interesting one-off, an image found by John Zentmeyer and now in Dave Butler’s collection at Vintage Power Wagons, so thanks to both ofthem.

 

The production runs of the Dodge military T202 and T203 series half and 1.5 ton trucks were approximately Easter to September 1940, but the factory records show that sixteen T202 VC truck chassis were run off earlier than that, presumably September to December 1939. We have those chassis numbers as 8,599,901 to 8,599,916, and this has to be one of them.

 

The truck in the photo is undoubtedly a T202 series VC military 4 x4 prototype, with typical VC brushguard, tow hooks, and 1939-40 five lug Budd disc wheels, pictured outside the brand new Chrysler Mound Road plant in late 1939. The reflectors are the marbled King Bee Foto-Ray No.295 types.

 

In 1939 Dodge did not have their own cabover setup, so contractors like Montpelier and Metropolitan produced stepdowns like these, mostly wooden framed.  The extra Tri-Master ventilatoron the top means it would have been an ambulance, which were normally better ventilated and more softly sprung than cargo trucks, and longer than the usual 116” wheelbase.  The stepdown bodies were already available for the 120” one ton Dodge civilian chassis, so it’s a good guess that this truck was 120” wheelbase too.

 

It would have been supplied to the Aberdeen Proving Ground for testing, but was not approved for series production – at a guess the wooden body just would not stand up to the sort of use the military would give it.  A larger military 4 x 4 T203 series ambulance based on the ordinary steel 1.5 ton panel truck body was produced that year, but only in a very small quantity.

 

It would be one more year before Wayne Works bodies appeared on half and ¾ ton WC ambulances, supplemented by Chrysler’s own knockdown ambulance body late in the war.

 

1940 Dodge Military Survivors List;

 

http://www.gwim2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/vc200401.htm

 

1940 Dodge Military  VC Production;

 

http://www.gwim2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/vclist.htm



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Gordon, Great info thanks for posting,

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Thanks Gordon. I didn't realize so few were built in '39.

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That's a good point Jeff,

I've always thought it was because the Mound Road Plant was brand new at the time, and running off prototypes probably took second place to getting civilian production up and running.

It should be possible to get the build cards for those prototypes from Chrysler historical and decode a pile of information - for example the wheelbase would give us a good approximation of the chassis number for the ambulance since I expect all the others would be 116"

Later in the model year, about the middle of 1940, they ran off the VC6 Carryall prototype, and then 24 production examples around August 1940. I did wonder if the sixteen included a conventional ambulance based on the ordinary panel van body and it was just rejected as being too narrow.

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