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Air to Air in needle nose

Posted By Doug Blevins Saturday, August 06, 2011 10:51 AM
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Doug Blevins
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Has anyone put a newer electronic engine in an older needle nose truck? Where, or how was the Charge air cooler mounted? I was toying with the idea of putting an N-14 or ISX in my 61 923 KW, but there is no place to mount the CAC. I thought about mounting one in the space between the passenger side running board and the frame rail with a couple electric fans and punch some louvers on the side of the running board (under the pass. door) for air flow. My truck doesn't have the tank under the door, or a toolbox, just empty space, might be hard to keep road debri out of it mounted there. any other ideas?........Doug

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 Posted Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:03 AM
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Forget the electric fans.I have been around many projects were electric fans have been used for cooling.A air/air cooler needs the direct flow of the air from going down the road and even the flow from the engine fan is not enough to cool enough.A electric fan will not take place of a engine fan. But it will work on a/c.We have a company here that repairs and will custom build air/air coolers.

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wayne graham
 Posted Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:24 AM
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Doug, Bob Manley (crackerbox) put an air to air in that yellow needlenose pete. As far as the electronic part I am just now giving up on putting a N-14 electronic in a 81 A model as there is no end to the grief. You can buy the harness from the engine to firewall for north of 1300 but you cannot get one for inside cab. has to be an early one with ecm and no ucm or that is another set of problems. I finally just gave up and we are putting in a manual N-14. Whole lot easier but motors are getting hard to find. they only made manuals for a short time. Wayne
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Wayne,

       Can the pump etc of a manual N14 be put on an eletronic one and do away with all the 'puter stuff?

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Mike, I think on some models but not real sure. Need Glenn Akers to help us here. I do know that 435 hp was the limit on manual. So I think that leaves the red heads out but as I said not sure.
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[quote]Mike Garrett (8/6/2011)
Wayne,

       Can the pump etc of a manual N14 be put on an eletronic one and do away with all the 'puter stuff?   Qoute                       Thats realy a different engine with different cam and pistons. They share the same block and heads but that about all. The only way to get around the air/air that i know is by using a BC 3 after cooler but that would take some study to make sure the coolant lop is ok. And then the water cooled after cooler would in my way of thinking be good for a limited amout of HP like maube 425 or so.

                                                                                                    


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 Posted Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:54 PM
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Glenn, The only one I know of is that yellow pete of Spooners. It has a manual n_14 with big cam aftercooler. Bob has it set at 435 but he is the only one that ever drives it. Don't think you would want to do this with a driver. Probably work for a play toy. Wayne
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Wayne,

Dont give up, call these folks  http://www.mawkindustries.com/index.htm  theres a way around anything, the ucm ready engine can be used, but you have to use the switches, gauges, ect., from a later cab.John
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Doug,

You really need a custom radiator/aftecooler combo that built to mount together in a tight package.You can use a setup from a W900L but its pretty tight.Read this  http://www.wdtc.net/custom_ken.shtml   Detroit Radiator makes some nice high fin count custom radiators and coolers  http://detroitradiatorcorp.com/  John
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Doug, I got Spooners' number if you need it... but, you have to at least buy him and Trucker sausage n bisquits and bacon....lol

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