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Ohio Historical plates question

Posted By MarkP Monday, July 25, 2011 8:02 AM
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My advice is to go to the Ohio state DMV (or what it is called) and search for the answers. When you find the answer, print it and carry it in your truck. There is probably more misunderstanding and bad info on this subject than any other. Good luck.

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Are there any updates regarding Ohio laws for historical plates 8 type trucks/tractors? I recently purchased a 77 GMC 9500 and went down to the BMV and they weren't sure if they were doing it right, but they still provided me with historical plates for the truck.

Do I need to get my CDL?
Do I need to remove the 5th wheel etc...
What do I need to have when Barney pulls me over?

Is there anything in writing so i can make sure i am in compliance?

Thanks!
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I've got 3 trucks with historical plates.  A '48 IH KB8, '51 IH L190, and a "60 R190.  I had problems with the first, the KB8 about 3years ago, as they said I had to run commercial plates due to weight, I said no that doesn't make sense.  I had to drive over to the main DMV (I am in Columbus, but still a pain).  It took them about 30min to figure out what to do and finally came up with needing to put Commercial-Historical registration on the truck.  They never said anything about a road tax and I didn't have to pay anything other than the $40-50 for the plates.  After telling them they need to be done as a commercial-historical it didn't seem like there was a problem or a work around needed.....perhaps it was in the computer how to do it, or there may be multiple ways around the problem.

The last two I just went in and told them what they needed to do, and I didn't run into any problems.

Glad you got your truck figured out.....eventually :)

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great and thanks for the info.

Cooter (Bill Peters)-Orrville, Ohio - If its old, moves, metal/wood and noisy - I'm there!
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Success! (sort of). After a couple calls to Columbus I finally found someone willing to help me find the person who could actually answer my question. Tiffany in IRP was very helpful and explained that when registering a historical truck in Ohio, the registrar should use code TK which is commercial truck. Because their registration system does not expect anyone to register a commercial truck as historical, she said the registrar should make the weight of the truck and the GVW match, this will allow them to proceed with the registration and not have to enter the HCUT heavy use tax information. She acknowledged it was a work around but she also said it was documented on their end that is how registrars are suppose to do it. She also made several notes in the plate record for my truck about our conversation and offered if I ever needed it they could write a letter stating that they modified the GVW as part of their process for historical commercial vehicles and not because I was trying to avoid the tax.

So, if you need help registering a truck (or trailer) in Ohio, call the main BMV registration office and ask for the IRP group - they actually know what they are talking about and for once it was nice to work with a friendly person at the state.

Mark
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you just got an idiot at Columbus. Try these numbers:

(614) 752-7800      1-800-589-8247

http://bmv.ohio.gov/contact.stm

http://bmv.ohio.gov/sp_historical.stm

http://publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/bmv4806.pdf

We have all heard different procedures depending the the "education" of those we are dealing with at the BMV offices.  I deal with the same woman I have dealt with for many years(doesnt hurt that her husband and I have worked together for 20 years!)

I looked up a couple of my registrations - most do not have a weight - but 1 does (I never paid attention to it).

I only ever had trouble with 1 bmv - she would not give me historical plates for my 46 IH firetruck @20 years ago under any conditions.  That was in my fathers town of residence - I brought the stuff over where I live and was in and out in no time.  I have quite of few historical plates - cars, pickups, 15ton lowboy trailer, semi tractors, firetruck...and the firetruck was the only one that gave me grief.  I did just register my 72 suburban last week.  Took a set of historical plates in that I wanted to use(not model year but actual historical) and was told they can not be transferred - most historical plates over 5 years ago were never put into the computer system originally so they may actually be registered to a vehicle the computer system does not know about.  She even called down to Columbus and tried a couple different ways to do it but the system would not let her.

hope some of this helps.


Cooter (Bill Peters)-Orrville, Ohio - If its old, moves, metal/wood and noisy - I'm there!
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Ok, I called Columbus which was far less than helpful. They said that "your local registrar issues historical plates, ask them". I told the person that I had asked the local registrar and they didn't know the answer so I was calling the state (Columbus). She said no one there would know anything about historical plates so she couldn't help me. Great, so the locals don't know and the state doesn't know. Does that mean I can do whatever I want since no one knows? :Whistling: Somehow I think the answer is no.

I'll try a different local agency and see if they can figure it out. I'll let everyone know IF I'm able to find an answer to this.
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My historical registration still lists the 33K GVW I originally had on the truck when I had std plates on it.  The girl at DMV did give me grief about doing it, but I told her I had plenty of friends that already had them.  She did run it through without any problems.

About 5-6 yrs ago I was questioned at the scales on 224(back when it said ALL Trucks enter).  Scalemaster checked my paperwork over, told me I was fine and apologized for holding me up and I was on my way again(very quickly).  I was pulling my race car trailer at the time.  Since they changed the signs to "commercial trucks", I sail on by.


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Mark

I would call Columbus just to be sure everything is correct, you don't want to get pulled over by "Barney Fife" and find out then the girl was an idiot.  The Ohio Historical plates states clearly states right on the form "non-commerical use only" so that "heavy road use" tax would not even apply to you since you are a non commerical vehicle.  I don't see how she could have registed the truck as a commerical vehicle with plates that clear state non commerical use only.  When I registered the White the woman at the BMV told me "NO" so I nicely told her call Columbus and after that no problem and no where on that registration is "commerical vehicle".  I hope this helps.


Dan:cool:
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Mark-----The last truck I put historical plates on ,there was no GVW listed because trucks were classified like cars ,so no GVW . Even though it was a tandem,the gal kept asking if it was rated as a half,3/4 or 1 ton,so I finally got the point and said 1 ton . Seems it cost me 17 bucks or so ,but that maybe was 5 years ago .   Ohio has been very liberal so far but maybe they're gonna change the rules .They used to be forever plates but now are 50 year plates ....................And they are transferrable ,without having to verify the previous vehicle was sold .
Last year I tried using the plate off my 34 CHEV coupe on to a GMC,but created a stir when they had no record of the number which had been on the car since '64 or '65 .After they called Columbus and confused people there,I just went home and came back with another plate to transfer .  I still have one to title as I bought one off a divorcee about 2 years ago .

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